Team Brighton - World Police!

[Ian Royal]

I think we ought to also be careful about declaring that anythign that offends someone should be stopped. Sometimes the answer is that someone is too easily offended about something that really shouldn't be deemed offensive and they should grow thicker skin. Where to draw the line is tricky though.

[Victor Meldrew]

Hasn't the FA done something similar regarding Anelka?
Were people offended before they were told that they should be offended?
Did anybody ,other than perhaps one reporter who acted on behalf of people who he felt should be offended, actually see what happened on the day or did they suffer offence in retrospect?
I wonder how non-Christians feel when footballers feel that they need to cross themselves when coming on to the pitch.
I wonder how non-Catholic Christians feel about being reminded so often about their man dying on the cross every time one of these players enters the field of play.
.

We do live in an incredibly overly-sensitive world where blacks can joke or sing about blacks and Jews can make Jewish jokes but anybody outside of the inner sanctum can't do the same.
A free society?
No, that has long gone and the thought police have certainly taken over the world but hey this is presumably a further step in evolution and I am glad that I won't be around long enough to witness the confusion over ethical matters that gets more so by the day.
A tolerant society?
No, people who believe they are tolerant are so much more intolerant of people that they regard as being err........intolerant as in the case of the Brighton lady.

[leon]

Hasn't the FA done something similar regarding Anelka?
Were people offended before they were told that they should be offended?
Did anybody ,other than perhaps one reporter who acted on behalf of people who he felt should be offended, actually see what happened on the day or did they suffer offence in retrospect?
I wonder how non-Christians feel when footballers feel that they need to cross themselves when coming on to the pitch.
I wonder how non-Catholic Christians feel about being reminded so often about their man dying on the cross every time one of these players enters the field of play.
.

We do live in an incredibly overly-sensitive world where blacks can joke or sing about blacks and Jews can make Jewish jokes but anybody outside of the inner sanctum can't do the same.
A free society?
No, that has long gone and the thought police have certainly taken over the world but hey this is presumably a further step in evolution and I am glad that I won't be around long enough to witness the confusion over ethical matters that gets more so by the day.
A tolerant society?
No, people who believe they are tolerant are so much more intolerant of people that they regard as being err........intolerant as in the case of the Brighton lady.

So people who are tolerant are more racist/bigoted than racists and bigots and blacks/jews/insert as applicable, in your weird little world shouldn't actually be able to have the same self deprecating humour as whites/English/aryans/insert as applicable?

Some time ago I called you out as racist for your questionable views on such matters, at the time I thought I was being presumptive. Maybe I was too "tolerant"

[Ian Royal]

Were people offended before they were told that they should be offended?
I wonder how non-Christians feel when footballers feel that they need to cross themselves when coming on to the pitch.
I wonder how non-Catholic Christians feel about being reminded so often about their man dying on the cross every time one of these players enters the field of play.

I was offended when I found out what it meant. There's a difference between a light hearted 'does your boyfriend know you're here?' From fans where there is a tradition of friendly banter. And an anti-semetic salute.

When I see players cross themselves I don't get offended.. I get sad at how many people need a lie as a crutch to get through life. But in that context it oppresses no one.


So its a pretty shit argument you've got going there.

[Victor Meldrew]

Hasn't the FA done something similar regarding Anelka?
Were people offended before they were told that they should be offended?
Did anybody ,other than perhaps one reporter who acted on behalf of people who he felt should be offended, actually see what happened on the day or did they suffer offence in retrospect?
I wonder how non-Christians feel when footballers feel that they need to cross themselves when coming on to the pitch.
I wonder how non-Catholic Christians feel about being reminded so often about their man dying on the cross every time one of these players enters the field of play.
.

We do live in an incredibly overly-sensitive world where blacks can joke or sing about blacks and Jews can make Jewish jokes but anybody outside of the inner sanctum can't do the same.
A free society?
No, that has long gone and the thought police have certainly taken over the world but hey this is presumably a further step in evolution and I am glad that I won't be around long enough to witness the confusion over ethical matters that gets more so by the day.
A tolerant society?
No, people who believe they are tolerant are so much more intolerant of people that they regard as being err........intolerant as in the case of the Brighton lady.

So people who are tolerant are more racist/bigoted than racists and bigots and blacks/jews/insert as applicable, in your weird little world shouldn't actually be able to have the same self deprecating humour as whites/English/aryans/insert as applicable?

Some time ago I called you out as racist for your questionable views on such matters, at the time I thought I was being presumptive. Maybe I was too "tolerant"

So in the court of leon you have made a judgement.
Big f*****g deal, go stuff yourself and try being tolerant of other views and open your mind once in a while from it's narrow field.

[Victor Meldrew]

leon,
See also my response to you on the AE porn thread where the accuser is accused and you might just then get it and where, tolerant a person that I am, I was not massively upset by your offensive to Christians posting.

[Handsome Man]

Hasn't the FA done something similar regarding Anelka?
Were people offended before they were told that they should be offended?
Did anybody ,other than perhaps one reporter who acted on behalf of people who he felt should be offended, actually see what happened on the day or did they suffer offence in retrospect?
I wonder how non-Christians feel when footballers feel that they need to cross themselves when coming on to the pitch.
I wonder how non-Catholic Christians feel about being reminded so often about their man dying on the cross every time one of these players enters the field of play.
.

We do live in an incredibly overly-sensitive world where blacks can joke or sing about blacks and Jews can make Jewish jokes but anybody outside of the inner sanctum can't do the same.
A free society?
No, that has long gone and the thought police have certainly taken over the world but hey this is presumably a further step in evolution and I am glad that I won't be around long enough to witness the confusion over ethical matters that gets more so by the day.
A tolerant society?
No, people who believe they are tolerant are so much more intolerant of people that they regard as being err........intolerant as in the case of the Brighton lady.

The ideas of a racist as some sort of freedom fighter battling against oppression, and an anti-racist being somebody intolerant of a racist's human rights, is one of the most ludicrous aspects of modern society. It is quite difficult to argue against, but it does remind me of the UKIP man losing it on Channel 4:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzPBn5SLcxE

[leon]

leon,
See also my response to you on the AE porn thread where the accuser is accused and you might just then get it and where, tolerant a person that I am, I was not massively upset by your offensive to Christians posting.

yes I saw that. I think I understand now.

I'm intolerant because I'm not tolerant of intolerance.

I also particularly enjoyed:

I don't need a small-minded prick with a massive chip on their shoulder and the arrogance of a Pardew like you to come on a football club website and tell me what I may or may not be.

It was almost as if mrs leon was posting on Hob Nob, however I suspect that you have got bigger breasts.

[Victor Meldrew]

leon,
See also my response to you on the AE porn thread where the accuser is accused and you might just then get it and where, tolerant a person that I am, I was not massively upset by your offensive to Christians posting.

yes I saw that. I think I understand now.

I'm intolerant because I'm not tolerant of intolerance.

I also particularly enjoyed:

I don't need a small-minded prick with a massive chip on their shoulder and the arrogance of a Pardew like you to come on a football club website and tell me what I may or may not be.

It was almost as if mrs leon was posting on Hob Nob, however I suspect that you have got bigger breasts.

Sexist?

[watfordroyal]

I liked it when Matt Lucas went to watch Brighton and found the chanting all terribly funny.

Hull Tigers is a bigger crime against humanity than a few less-than-articulate chants done solely with the intention of getting a rise out of people.

I've always thought the chants to Brighton fans are about winding up the NON-Gay contingent of their fanbase, and watch them get all upset about being considered as gay.

Of course their reply should be along the lines of "I'd rather be gay than sh*g a Reading bird", then that sort of kills it.

[exileinleeds]

But why does it bother you?

It sounds like it's the lesbian, gay or bisexual football fan who should be getting offended. Why assume that the lesbatron Brighton supporter isn' fully behind the campaign, but not really confident enough to speak up in support of it?

Why do you feel the term "lesbatron" is acceptable? It is deeply offensive- and anyone close to the LGBT will tell you, pointing that out will leave themselves open to further abuse.

Why also did you miss the transgendered from your flawed "acceptance"?

[exileinleeds]

I think this type of thing is akin to the preaching pop stars who suddenly find themselves with a quasi-legendary status and then have breakouts of self-importance.

Bono, Sting, Michael Stipe 'we'll make the world a better place' cringey soapbox speeches to their fans/anyone who'll listen. It's not so much that they may well be doing some decent and worthwhile campaigning, it's more that you suspect it's driven partially by their inflated sense of self-worth. Same with Brighton & HA one would think, ever since they've got back on their feet and into their new stadium, they've been like a recovering drug addict who's suddenly found God and wants to spread the good word.

Spoken like someone who wasn't at Wembley 13th July 1985. It was a big deal- prompted entirely by Midge Ure and Bob Geldof, in a direct response to a horrific human tragedy. They decided they couldn't sit at home counting their millions and decided to use their wealth and influence to do something about it. And it did change the world. What they did then, and the attitudes they shaped then, has an ongoing effect on the world. No, they didn't solve all the problems, but they made a great deal of difference, not just in money raised, but in the way we see charity...and yes they spawned an industry on the back of it. Why do you think sport/comic relief happen?

It is the nature of the world we live in that "celebrity" gets attention that normal campaigning and basic humanity cannot...but if they can get people to consider attitudes and inspire some to do something for someone other than themselves, do explain why that is a bad thing?