CONFIMRED - Glenn Murray on loan

[quickwingerswife]

How far from his defenders does he live? Useless wonker. Workrate zero, glory hunter!!

[Martin41]

How far from his defenders does he live? Useless wonker. Workrate zero, glory hunter!!

What?????????

[Hoop Blah]

Will Murray still want to stay come January? Given the goals he's scoring, I'm sure another team would snap him up if he's still surplus to requirements at Palace

The 'goals' he's scoring?
He's scored 3 in his last 8 starts.
One a massive deflection, one a massive goalkeeping error, and one a tap-in from 1 yard out.
Apart from those three goals the only thing he's done of note, in his last 8 starts, is miss a penalty.

Will they be queuing up come January? not on current form/wages.

Those are exactly the kind of goals we need to be clocking up though and it doesn't really matter how he's scoring it's good that he's just got the knack of doing it.

What we need to do is getting the likes of Obita, MacLeary and Gunter getting a constant stream of quality balls into the box for Murray to feed off.

[Sutekh]

Will Murray still want to stay come January? Given the goals he's scoring, I'm sure another team would snap him up if he's still surplus to requirements at Palace

The 'goals' he's scoring?
He's scored 3 in his last 8 starts.
One a massive deflection, one a massive goalkeeping error, and one a tap-in from 1 yard out.
Apart from those three goals the only thing he's done of note, in his last 8 starts, is miss a penalty.

Will they be queuing up come January? not on current form/wages.

Those are exactly the kind of goals we need to be clocking up though and it doesn't really matter how he's scoring it's good that he's just got the knack of doing it.

What we need to do is getting the likes of Obita, MacLeary and Gunter getting a constant stream of quality balls into the box for Murray to feed off.

Like that's ever going to happen. The "wingers" we do have aren't wingers in my book, they're one dimensional players who continually cut in and aren't particularly quick. Our best out and out fit wingers in my opinion are currently playing as left and right backs

When McLeary is fit and back to the top of his game then that'll be an improvement but one wonders how long it'll be before he's injured again and we're back in the same state again.

[Ian Royal]

Will Murray still want to stay come January? Given the goals he's scoring, I'm sure another team would snap him up if he's still surplus to requirements at Palace

The 'goals' he's scoring?
He's scored 3 in his last 8 starts.
One a massive deflection, one a massive goalkeeping error, and one a tap-in from 1 yard out.
Apart from those three goals the only thing he's done of note, in his last 8 starts, is miss a penalty.

Will they be queuing up come January? not on current form/wages.

Yeah. Damn him and his better than 1 in 2 scoring rate through shit goals.

Have you had a lobotomy recently?

[peterroyal76]

How far from his defenders does he live? Useless wonker. Workrate zero, glory hunter!!

[P!ssed Off]

Will Murray still want to stay come January? Given the goals he's scoring, I'm sure another team would snap him up if he's still surplus to requirements at Palace

The 'goals' he's scoring?
He's scored 3 in his last 8 starts.
One a massive deflection, one a massive goalkeeping error, and one a tap-in from 1 yard out.
Apart from those three goals the only thing he's done of note, in his last 8 starts, is miss a penalty.

Will they be queuing up come January? not on current form/wages.

Yeah. Damn him and his better than 1 in 2 scoring rate through shit goals.

Have you had a lobotomy recently?

No. I excluded his debut double against Fulham because since then he hasn't looked like replicating it and has often looked poor.
5 goals in 9 starts is quite a good record. 3 goals in the last 8 starts is not quite as good.

Murray has 5 goals from 758 minutes. This appears to be much better than Cox's 5 goals in 1036 minutes.
Except Cox has got the majority of his goals playing from a deeper position, without the help of luck and whilst taking less shots. He also contributes effort and determination to the team, something that Murray lacks.

Total Shots; On Target; Off Target
Murray: 35; 10; 18
Cox: 21; 10; 7

His efficiency is poor. Whilst 5 goals in 758 minutes seems a good record, 5 goals from 35 shots (1 goal per 7 shots) is not a good record.

And his wages are reportedly £25,000 per week. Like I said, if his post-debut form continues, very few clubs will be queuing to sign him up come January.

[windermere_royal]

How far from his defenders does he live? Useless wonker. Workrate zero, glory hunter!!

Stupid cow

[Zana Badawi]

No. I excluded his debut double against Fulham because since then he hasn't looked like replicating it and has often looked poor. .

Gosh, You couldn't make this sh1t up.

Murray has 5 goals from 758 minutes. This appears to be much better than Cox's 5 goals in 1036 minutes.
Except Cox has got the majority of his goals playing from a deeper position, without the help of luck and whilst taking less shots. He also contributes effort and determination to the team, something that Murray lacks.

Really?! I would say that the only players with any sort of footballing attitude are him, Danny Williams, Mcleary and Federici. Which makes his contribution as the only outfield player worth his salt. I say again, really?!

His efficiency is poor. Whilst 5 goals in 758 minutes seems a good record, 5 goals from 35 shots (1 goal per 7 shots) is not a good record..

REALLY!!? That's the point. He's not afraid to shoot nor try and win a match. I know this makes him like a lot of other footballers, but I suppose when you've had Pogrebnyak for two years, you forget about those sort of attributes in a player

And his wages are reportedly £25,000 per week. Like I said, if his post-debut form continues, very few clubs will be queuing to sign him up come January.

LOL. Because you know, nobody wants a striker who scores goals and tries to make a difference.
You know which one is Murray, right?

[mambo3]

Murray has 5 goals from 758 minutes. This appears to be much better than Cox's 5 goals in 1036 minutes.
Except Cox has got the majority of his goals playing from a deeper position, without the help of luck and whilst taking less shots. He also contributes effort and determination to the team, something that Murray lacks.

Total Shots; On Target; Off Target
Murray: 35; 10; 18
Cox: 21; 10; 7

His efficiency is poor. Whilst 5 goals in 758 minutes seems a good record, 5 goals from 35 shots (1 goal per 7 shots) is not a good record.

And his wages are reportedly £25,000 per week. Like I said, if his post-debut form continues, very few clubs will be queuing to sign him up come January.[/quote]

Dom Samuel has a better goal average then all of them and plays against the same players who the 1st Team have played thru the season and will never play for NA it seems. His wages is probably less 2% of his weekly wage

[P!ssed Off]

His efficiency is poor. Whilst 5 goals in 758 minutes seems a good record, 5 goals from 35 shots (1 goal per 7 shots) is not a good record..

REALLY!!? That's the point. He's not afraid to shoot nor try and win a match. I know this makes him like a lot of other footballers, but I suppose when you've had Pogrebnyak for two years, you forget about those sort of attributes in a player

Are you actually suggesting that the more shots a player takes per goal, the better?
If so, then that is absolutely laughable.

Since Murray has been at the club it has generally been agreed that the team is not playing too badly. They are creating chances during games, but they are losing because they can't score and they can't stop the other team from scoring.
Murray is primarily the one missing the chances that we've been creating.

We lost 3-0 at home to Derby and most fans said we played quite well. But we couldn't defend at one end when it mattered, and we couldn't score at the other. Who is most at fault for us not scoring, if not the man that had 7 shots?

"He's not afraid to shoot": 28 of his 35 shots have come from inside the box. It's not that he's had to resort to long shots due to poor creativity. He's getting on the end of moves/crosses, inside the box. He's just missing them.

When it comes to shots per game Murray is top of the league along with Middlesbrough's Kike at 3.9.

[Ian Royal]

The 'goals' he's scoring?
He's scored 3 in his last 8 starts.
One a massive deflection, one a massive goalkeeping error, and one a tap-in from 1 yard out.
Apart from those three goals the only thing he's done of note, in his last 8 starts, is miss a penalty.

Will they be queuing up come January? not on current form/wages.

Yeah. Damn him and his better than 1 in 2 scoring rate through shit goals.

Have you had a lobotomy recently?

No. I excluded his debut double against Fulham because since then he hasn't looked like replicating it and has often looked poor.
5 goals in 9 starts is quite a good record. 3 goals in the last 8 starts is not quite as good.

Murray has 5 goals from 758 minutes. This appears to be much better than Cox's 5 goals in 1036 minutes.
Except Cox has got the majority of his goals playing from a deeper position, without the help of luck and whilst taking less shots. He also contributes effort and determination to the team, something that Murray lacks.

Total Shots; On Target; Off Target
Murray: 35; 10; 18
Cox: 21; 10; 7

His efficiency is poor. Whilst 5 goals in 758 minutes seems a good record, 5 goals from 35 shots (1 goal per 7 shots) is not a good record.

And his wages are reportedly £25,000 per week. Like I said, if his post-debut form continues, very few clubs will be queuing to sign him up come January.

No shit, 3 in 8 is less good than 5 in 9. Well I never.

It's still actually better than the reasonable benchmark for a striker of 1 in 3.

I think you're barking mad. Other teams would be happy to pick up a proven goalscorer who's showing that after a long injury lay off he's still capable of scoring plenty of goals in a struggling team.

[P!ssed Off]

No. I excluded his debut double against Fulham because since then he hasn't looked like replicating it and has often looked poor.
5 goals in 9 starts is quite a good record. 3 goals in the last 8 starts is not quite as good.

Murray has 5 goals from 758 minutes. This appears to be much better than Cox's 5 goals in 1036 minutes.
Except Cox has got the majority of his goals playing from a deeper position, without the help of luck and whilst taking less shots. He also contributes effort and determination to the team, something that Murray lacks.

Total Shots; On Target; Off Target
Murray: 35; 10; 18
Cox: 21; 10; 7

His efficiency is poor. Whilst 5 goals in 758 minutes seems a good record, 5 goals from 35 shots (1 goal per 7 shots) is not a good record.

And his wages are reportedly £25,000 per week. Like I said, if his post-debut form continues, very few clubs will be queuing to sign him up come January.

No shit, 3 in 8 is less good than 5 in 9. Well I never.

It's still actually better than the reasonable benchmark for a striker of 1 in 3.

I think you're barking mad. Other teams would be happy to pick up a proven goalscorer who's showing that after a long injury lay off he's still capable of scoring plenty of goals in a struggling team.

Since his debut he's produced very little: 3 goals off 31 shots is not good, it's poor.
Our recent run of results has seen us play badly at both ends. Our defending in our own box has been poor, as has our finishing in their box.

Defence has got their due criticism, why shouldn't Murray have his?
The team is not struggling despite Murray playing well. Part of the reason why they're struggling is because he's not playing well.

Pre-Murray: Reading shots per game: 9.6
Since Murray: Reading shots per game: 15.6

This is not like last season where Reading were completely inept at creating chances and the strikers were feeding on scraps by and large. That may have been the case at the start of the season when we were destroyed by injuries and had recruited nobody, but it's not the case now.

We're creating plenty of chances to score at the moment, we're just not scoring them. And there's one person in particular not scoring the chances, and his name is Glenn Murray. And these are not half chances that Murray is resorting to out of frustration:
Murray has had 9 shots inside the 6 yard box. Only one player in the division has had as many. Assombalonga is also on 9, but Assombalonga has scored 5 of his 9 chances, Murray has scored only 2.

Name; Shots in 6 yard box; Goals in 6 yard box
Assombalonga; 9; 5
Murray; 9; 2
Martin; 8; 4
Fryatt; 7; 3
Antonio; 7; 3
Jones; 6; 1
Wilson; 5; 3
Jerome; 5; 2
Greer; 5; 2
Wells; 5; 3

To sum up: Murray's squandered plenty of chances. A significant number of these chances have been from less than 6 yards out. Will there be many teams out there in January happy to £25,000 a week for a player with a conversion rate of 22% from 6 yards out? No, there won't be.

[Royalwaster]

Anyone got the statistics on Adam Le Fondre to compare with Murray - as many on here still regard ALF as the most proven goal-scorer we've ever had?

I for one really hope we sign Murray in January - think he's by far better than anything else we've got up front ...

[Sanguine]

Maybe Murray is one of the reasons we are creating more chances.

[SCIAG]

Dom Samuel has a better goal average then all of them and plays against the same players who the 1st Team have played thru the season and will never play for NA it seems. His wages is probably less 2% of his weekly wage

In 5(1) competitive appearances this season, Samuel has scored 2 goals, against a much lower standard of opposition than the first team face. He isn't clearly first choice any more and might not be playing so often if Cardwell wasn't needed in the U18s.

In fairness to Samuel, he's been without the service of Stacey, Tshibola, Kuhl and particularly Tanner, but he's not been short on chances. With everyone available, there's a good chance we'll use Stacey or Tanner as the notional striker.

[leon]

the last few pages have amply demonstrated that people really will argue about any old shit on the Team Board

[Angry Shed Sex]

the last few pages have amply demonstrated that people really will argue about any old shit on the Team Board

No they won't.

[Hendo]

Anyone got the statistics on Adam Le Fondre to compare with Murray - as many on here still regard ALF as the most proven goal-scorer we've ever had?

Cureton > Le Fondre FWIW

[Royalwaster]

the last few pages have amply demonstrated that people really will argue about any old shit on the Team Board

No they won't.

I disagree!