Ake confirmed on loan

[genome]

All-or-nothing thinking is a sign of depression and anxiety, you know.

[JIM]

At least we are signing fit players to play this week or next, not like some of the millstones we have on the books. (just hope the insurance is paying for some of them)

[ladida_gunner_graham]

Really solid first performance from Ake, vs. Cardiff. Didn't try anything spectacular, but barely put a foot wrong in the whole game. Gave us real solidity in midfield and should have provided a platform for other players to perform, but that didn't quite happen....

[windermere_royal]

I thought he look very composed on the ball, but he did disappear a bit in the 2nd half, but given his tender years and his 1st performance that could be expected. I`m sure he will grow into the side in the cominng weeks.
Wondering if SC is looking at a all Chelsea CM partnership.
Hoping for a season long loan next year.

[Nameless]

A season long loan pairing of the 2 Chelsea youngsters would be a real disappointment. In fact it would make me consider not renewing my ST (I'd probably renew, but usually I don't even think about it). We have some very good midfielders at the club, the prospect of watching Kuhl and or Tishbola with Wlliams is much more interesting than providing a bit of work experience for another club's kids.
I am of course aware of the hypocracy in thus as I'm more than happy to loan our developing talent out to lower league sides....

[Ian Royal]

A season long loan pairing of the 2 Chelsea youngsters would be a real disappointment. In fact it would make me consider not renewing my ST (I'd probably renew, but usually I don't even think about it). We have some very good midfielders at the club, the prospect of watching Kuhl and or Tishbola with Wlliams is much more interesting than providing a bit of work experience for another club's kids.
I am of course aware of the hypocracy in thus as I'm more than happy to loan our developing talent out to lower league sides....

+1

I'm going to be extremely peeved if Cooper, Kuhl and Stacey - for example - don't get more game time in the last three or four matches. I'm not interested in training Chelsea's youngsters. I want to see our lads develop. Lets get em ready for next season, push up the table a bit, then win the league again the year after.

We're in bugger all danger. So far the short term signings have offerred very little except rest breaks.

Yak, Knight and Ferdinand have been all but worthless... yay, one goal. Chalobah has been mixed, Ake started well and Appiah looked good and delivered nothing. If they'd actually made a big difference it would be ok. But they're sidelining decent players who could be our future when hey certainly aren't.

[Snowball]

Loan players haven't done anything much?


Chalobah

1 Goals plus 1 assist (was hugely influential away to Bradford in the FA Cup Quarter Final and had an assist in the home game)

He has played 13 Games and we've won 7 of them! P13 W7 D3 L3 15-11

0-0 D Millwall A
2-0 W Wednesday H
2-1 W Wolves A
0-2 L Leeds H
0-1 L Wigan H
1-0 W Ipswich A
0-3 L Forest L
1-1 D Bolton A
2-1 W Brighton H
2-1 W Cardiff A
2-1 W Derby A
0-0 D Bradford A
3-0 W Bradford A


Mackie

6 Goals , plus 4 assists in 1872 Minutes
The winner at Ipswich, both goals to give us the win v Brighton, earned a point against Bolton
and his overall game is worth loads to the team

Yakubu

Only played 277 minutes but 1 Goal the (crucial goal won the FA Cup game at Derby)
also available to be played at Huddersfield, allowing a striker to be rested.


Ake

0 Goals, but played very well yesterday made a crucial interception and pass that led to our goal

So 8 Goals and 5 assists

[Snowball]

Chalobah



He has played 9 League Games and we've won 4 = P9 W4 D2 L3 8-9 14 Points

That's 1.56 ppg = 72 point season

0-0 D Millwall A
2-0 W Wednesday H
2-1 W Wolves A
0-2 L Leeds H
0-1 L Wigan H
1-0 W Ipswich A
0-3 L Forest L
1-1 D Bolton A
2-1 W Brighton H



P30 W08 D07 L15 35-53 = 31 Points @ 1.03 ppg = 47.53 Point Season Chalobah not playing
P09 W04 D02 L03 08-09 = 15 Points @ 1.55 ppg = 71.55 Point Season Chalobah playing
P03 W00 D01 L02 04-08 = 01 Points @ 0.33 ppg = 15.33 Point Season 3 games since Chalobah injured

It's hard to argue that he doesn't make us a much better side

[Nameless]

Those stats don't show that he makes us a better side.
They show that statistically we've done better when he is in the team but they could disguise the fact that he made crucial errors in every defeat and made no positive contribution to any victory.
I'd say it's neither one or the other, there have been games he's been good and others when he's been anonymous. I suspect over a season he'd settle and be very good but it's lazy to use those stats to assume Chalobah is the key ingredient.

[Snowball]

How does scoring a goal in a 2-0 NOT be a contribution?

How does getting an assist NOT be a contribution?

But fine, if you don't think Chalobah is a very good player and will probably be a top player. We'll see.

Virtually all players make mistakes, especially young ones and at a different level, but if you can't see Chalobah's class, AND his major contribution to the side, then there's no hope for you

[Snowball]

And then there is Glen Murray, loanee, 8 goals and an assist in 1526 minutes for Reading.

But fair play to Ian, the loanees, Murray (8), Mackie (6), Chalobah (1), Yakubu (1), Ake, Appiah,
have done nothing for RFC, apart from 16 goals, 6 assists. That's 16/51 of our goals, and only
one o those players has been here all season.

[From Despair To Where?]

But Ian makes a very good and very valid point that it would be preferable to have players from our own academy playing in dead rubbers at the end of the season rather than players from Chelsea's academy,aside from his utter bobbins comment about loanees having no impact. ironic considering his vehement championing of Murray before Christmas.

I agree that we use he best players available to get us over the line but it sends out a shit message to the academy players if they are overlooked in preference to loanees in dead games, especially when the owners have talked up the Academy as an essential part of the the future of the club.

[Hoop Blah]

I'd much rather see our own academy players performing well for our side but at the same time I want to see us win.

Ake was very good on Saturday and I can see why Clarke got him in. He's fighting for every point at the moment and can't afford to pick a team on sentiment when it's his job and the clubs Championship status that's still on the line.

Next season is a different kettle of fish though and it would be great to see the likes of Tanner and Kuhl step up and be more involved. They have to be good enough though.

[West Stand Man]

If these are simply short loans to see us through the relegation battle then I can see why there is a groundswell in favour of blooding the academy youth once we are safe. If, however, the Chelsea loans have been made with some sort of a promise that we can use them again next year (or that others may also be there for us) that puts a different complexion on it all. It could be in our business and footballing interest to do that and it isn't hard to see why Jose would be keen to farm out quality fringe players to club whose manager he knows well and with a training ground (and stadium) a very short trip down the M4.

[Blakey's Chin]

Ake probably won't sign on loan next season. He seems too good, and Chelsea know it. Good loan signing for us though if it helps us get over the line to safety. Chalobah however is different. Definitely won't break into Chelsea's squad and Championship seems his level at the moment. Wouldn't be suprised if we got him on loan for a season next year. Wouldn't be dissapointed either, the only bad game I thought he had was against Wigan and that was at CB. He is only 20 so a difficult one as to whether Chelsea want to offer him a new contract.

I agree though that I'd like to see some youngsters come in end of this season/beginning of next. Whether they're ready or not isn't for me to say

[mambo3]

I'd much rather see our own academy players performing well for our side but at the same time I want to see us win.

Ake was very good on Saturday and I can see why Clarke got him in. He's fighting for every point at the moment and can't afford to pick a team on sentiment when it's his job and the clubs Championship status that's still on the line.

Next season is a different kettle of fish though and it would be great to see the likes of Tanner and Kuhl step up and be more involved. They have to be good enough though.

Cant see Tanner (Found wanting in Lge 2) and Kuhl getting much first Team play in there chosen positions, may need a full season on Loan
Cant see them leap frogging over the players we have at the moment never mind what SC is going to bring in next season. Also he probably has access to some more Young Chelsea Players. So difficult times for the youngsters. Tishbola would be the most likely one
to get a show in the 1st Team.

[Nameless]

How does scoring a goal in a 2-0 NOT be a contribution?

How does getting an assist NOT be a contribution?

But fine, if you don't think Chalobah is a very good player and will probably be a top player. We'll see.

Virtually all players make mistakes, especially young ones and at a different level, but if you can't see Chalobah's class, AND his major contribution to the side, then there's no hope for you

If you can't see that there is a difference between cause and effect I suggest you stop spamming the site with endless stats !
I think Chalobah could be a very good player but your stats don't show that. I see that by watching him play.
And the point remains, I don't want a team based around loan players. Whether they make an impact or not is to some extent irrelevant. The odd loan player to fill a gap, no problem. A loan player in place of a young player we have developed and who is perfectly good enough - no thanks.

[Hoop Blah]

I'd much rather see our own academy players performing well for our side but at the same time I want to see us win.

Ake was very good on Saturday and I can see why Clarke got him in. He's fighting for every point at the moment and can't afford to pick a team on sentiment when it's his job and the clubs Championship status that's still on the line.

Next season is a different kettle of fish though and it would be great to see the likes of Tanner and Kuhl step up and be more involved. They have to be good enough though.

Cant see Tanner (Found wanting in Lge 2) and Kuhl getting much first Team play in there chosen positions, may need a full season on Loan
Cant see them leap frogging over the players we have at the moment never mind what SC is going to bring in next season. Also he probably has access to some more Young Chelsea Players. So difficult times for the youngsters. Tishbola would be the most likely one
to get a show in the 1st Team.

Maybe, maybe not.

Tanner being integrated into the first team squad and used as backup to our first choice number 10/second strikers would make some sense irrespective of how well his loan spell playing in a different system went. That's not to say he will be a success or be involved, just that a loan spell doesn't prove a players potential (see Harry Kane as good evidence of that!).

As for Tishbola, and Kuhl for that matter, they play in a position that requires more discipline and trust from the manager. I'm not sure either will get a look in if Clarke is going to be using the loan market to full effect. I hope they do, although I'm not over convinced by Tishbola yet and I've always though Kuhl looked the more likely to make the most of their talent. Both are good prospects though.

[Ian Royal]

But Ian makes a very good and very valid point that it would be preferable to have players from our own academy playing in dead rubbers at the end of the season rather than players from Chelsea's academy,aside from his utter bobbins comment about loanees having no impact. ironic considering his vehement championing of Murray before Christmas.

I agree that we use he best players available to get us over the line but it sends out a shit message to the academy players if they are overlooked in preference to loanees in dead games, especially when the owners have talked up the Academy as an essential part of the the future of the club.

I was talking about the obvious short-term stop gap signings we've brought in. And I mentioned them all by name I think. It should be obvious I'm not including a season long loan in Mackie (who we could conceivably sign in the summer) and a six month loan with a view to perm in Murray. Neither of which I'd say could be reasonably be considered short-term stop gaps.

[Extended-Phenotype]

It should be obvious I'm not including a season long loan in Mackie (who we could conceivably sign in the summer)

Oh good, have we got another meaningless, nonbinding 'option to buy'?