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[Ian Royal]

Seeing as two people have already spoken about Stam's comments on Samuel at the Fans' Forum, I will as well.

Stam's main concern about Samuel seems to be consistency. Apparently he was poor in pre-season and against Bristol Rovers (again, Stam's judgement). I thought he played well against Man City but Stam can put that in the wider context. And to be honest he's not impressed me the other times I've seen him play, even in the match against Villa where he scored a hat-trick!

I think Samuel's a bit selfish and over-confident, but then so are all our young forwards except maybe Stacey, it goes with the position.

He also seems to play much better when on loan, so part of me thinks that he might "step up" well if we stuck him in.

But he's the same age Jake Taylor was when he finally got in the first team. He's the same age as Obita but without three years in the Championship. I think there comes a point where if he doesn't look like playing for us soon, we have to let him rebuild his career elsewhere. Players develop at different rates etc. but we can't cling onto players who scored 20 goals for the U18s forever.

Agree with nearly everything you say. But as we are always reminded there is a difference between competitive football and U21 football and he has proven himself at league 1 level and only when he has played a handful of games for the 1st Team can he be judged.
Any young footballer who is not selfish or overconfident in this game will not survive the pressure of being a footballer as everyone has an opinion. He must be doing something right as he is the only one of two young players likely to get any game time this season. With all the negative luggage about him, I don't understand why they are keeping him.

If he's one of two young players likely to get game time this season, how come Kelly and Watson have both got appearances already? Not forgetting Cooper is younger than him and Obita's the same age - although both have already made the step up.

[sandman]

Seeing as two people have already spoken about Stam's comments on Samuel at the Fans' Forum, I will as well.

Stam's main concern about Samuel seems to be consistency. Apparently he was poor in pre-season and against Bristol Rovers (again, Stam's judgement). I thought he played well against Man City but Stam can put that in the wider context. And to be honest he's not impressed me the other times I've seen him play, even in the match against Villa where he scored a hat-trick!

I think Samuel's a bit selfish and over-confident, but then so are all our young forwards except maybe Stacey, it goes with the position.

He also seems to play much better when on loan, so part of me thinks that he might "step up" well if we stuck him in.

But he's the same age Jake Taylor was when he finally got in the first team. He's the same age as Obita but without three years in the Championship. I think there comes a point where if he doesn't look like playing for us soon, we have to let him rebuild his career elsewhere. Players develop at different rates etc. but we can't cling onto players who scored 20 goals for the U18s forever.

Agree with nearly everything you say. But as we are always reminded there is a difference between competitive football and U21 football and he has proven himself at league 1 level and only when he has played a handful of games for the 1st Team can he be judged.
Any young footballer who is not selfish or overconfident in this game will not survive the pressure of being a footballer as everyone has an opinion. He must be doing something right as he is the only one of two young players likely to get any game time this season. With all the negative luggage about him, I don't understand why they are keeping him.

If he's one of two young players likely to get game time this season, how come Kelly and Watson have both got appearances already? Not forgetting Cooper is younger than him and Obita's the same age - although both have already made the step up.

Kelly and Watson playing in League Cup games, they have glass ceiling in place against them making it look like they're being given a chance without actually starting them against Championship opposition. Suspect the only reason Watson is back up is because we couldn't afford to sign a second RB and another Striker.

Would be surprised if Cooper plays for us again. Obita confined to the bench for a player who doesn't appear to be any better than him.

Add to that the fact that we've signed several players in their early 20's who are going to further block progress to the first team for Academy Graduates means several unhappy young players who want out.

[No Fixed Abode]

It's clear the style Jaap wants to play. Most of the new signings look decent and comfortable on the ball.

I thought the players pre- Jaap were the worst culprits giving the ball the away.

You've got to give this style time to bed in.

Both were pens for me for Reading. Ipswich one was very soft.

George Evans should have got a straight red.

Lots of empty seats. I thought there would be more optimism with treble winner Jaap at the helm.

[Nameless]

Agree with nearly everything you say. But as we are always reminded there is a difference between competitive football and U21 football and he has proven himself at league 1 level and only when he has played a handful of games for the 1st Team can he be judged.
Any young footballer who is not selfish or overconfident in this game will not survive the pressure of being a footballer as everyone has an opinion. He must be doing something right as he is the only one of two young players likely to get any game time this season. With all the negative luggage about him, I don't understand why they are keeping him.

If he's one of two young players likely to get game time this season, how come Kelly and Watson have both got appearances already? Not forgetting Cooper is younger than him and Obita's the same age - although both have already made the step up.

Kelly and Watson playing in League Cup games, they have glass ceiling in place against them making it look like they're being given a chance without actually starting them against Championship opposition. Suspect the only reason Watson is back up is because we couldn't afford to sign a second RB and another Striker.

Would be surprised if Cooper plays for us again. Obita confined to the bench for a player who doesn't appear to be any better than him.

Add to that the fact that we've signed several players in their early 20's who are going to further block progress to the first team for Academy Graduates means several unhappy young players who want out.

You really have a grudge ! More utter garbage..... Just admitting you were wrong would have been the smart move.
Obita's not confined to the bench, he played on Friday !
Have to laugh at the idea of a 'glass ceiling'.

[Maneki Neko]

Seeing as two people have already spoken about Stam's comments on Samuel at the Fans' Forum, I will as well.

Stam's main concern about Samuel seems to be consistency. Apparently he was poor in pre-season and against Bristol Rovers (again, Stam's judgement). I thought he played well against Man City but Stam can put that in the wider context. And to be honest he's not impressed me the other times I've seen him play, even in the match against Villa where he scored a hat-trick!

I think Samuel's a bit selfish and over-confident, but then so are all our young forwards except maybe Stacey, it goes with the position.

He also seems to play much better when on loan, so part of me thinks that he might "step up" well if we stuck him in.

But he's the same age Jake Taylor was when he finally got in the first team. He's the same age as Obita but without three years in the Championship. I think there comes a point where if he doesn't look like playing for us soon, we have to let him rebuild his career elsewhere. Players develop at different rates etc. but we can't cling onto players who scored 20 goals for the U18s forever.

Agree with nearly everything you say. But as we are always reminded there is a difference between competitive football and U21 football and he has proven himself at league 1 level and only when he has played a handful of games for the 1st Team can he be judged.
Any young footballer who is not selfish or overconfident in this game will not survive the pressure of being a footballer as everyone has an opinion. He must be doing something right as he is the only one of two young players likely to get any game time this season. With all the negative luggage about him, I don't understand why they are keeping him.

If he's one of two young players likely to get game time this season, how come Kelly and Watson have both got appearances already? Not forgetting Cooper is younger than him and Obita's the same age - although both have already made the step up.

Is it cos hes been injured till now?

[Maneki Neko]

It's clear the style Jaap wants to play. Most of the new signings look decent and comfortable on the ball.

I thought the players pre- Jaap were the worst culprits giving the ball the away.

You've got to give this style time to bed in.

Both were pens for me for Reading. Ipswich one was very soft.

George Evans should have got a straight red.

Lots of empty seats. I thought there would be more optimism with treble winner Jaap at the helm.

Helm.
Lol

[Ian Royal]

Agree with nearly everything you say. But as we are always reminded there is a difference between competitive football and U21 football and he has proven himself at league 1 level and only when he has played a handful of games for the 1st Team can he be judged.
Any young footballer who is not selfish or overconfident in this game will not survive the pressure of being a footballer as everyone has an opinion. He must be doing something right as he is the only one of two young players likely to get any game time this season. With all the negative luggage about him, I don't understand why they are keeping him.

If he's one of two young players likely to get game time this season, how come Kelly and Watson have both got appearances already? Not forgetting Cooper is younger than him and Obita's the same age - although both have already made the step up.

Is it cos hes been injured till now?

No.
Samuel being injured has nothing to do with Kelly, Watson, Cooper and / or Obita playing.

[royalp-we]

The players currently starting are the senior players. The higher earners, too.

Maybe it's got something to do with getting these first team pros familiar with the system first?

Then introducing the youngsters as the season progresses. We're 6 games in.

[Maneki Neko]

It's clear the style Jaap wants to play. Most of the new signings look decent and comfortable on the ball.

I thought the players pre- Jaap were the worst culprits giving the ball the away.

You've got to give this style time to bed in.

Both were pens for me for Reading. Ipswich one was very soft.

George Evans should have got a straight red.

Lots of empty seats. I thought there would be more optimism with treble winner Jaap at the helm.

I agree with everything kes is saying here

[handbags_harris]

Regarding Samuel, Stam has suggested that some of the youngsters found it difficult to adapt and improve during pre-season, which is why we have seen the likes of Fosu, Tanner, Stacey etc not being a part of the first team. He also said quite openly that he watched the U23's at the Gas and Samuel didn't play particularly well further exacerbating the situation. Fairly certain you could add Dom Samuel to the list of players that hasn't adapted and improved adequately to put themselves in the frame for first team football.

[If you still hate Futcher]

It's clear the style Jaap wants to play. Most of the new signings look decent and comfortable on the ball.

I thought the players pre- Jaap were the worst culprits giving the ball the away.

You've got to give this style time to bed in.

Both were pens for me for Reading. Ipswich one was very soft.

George Evans should have got a straight red.

Lots of empty seats. I thought there would be more optimism with treble winner Jaap at the helm.

I agree with everything kes is saying here

Me too ! Has he been hacked

[CountryRoyal]

Regarding Samuel, Stam has suggested that some of the youngsters found it difficult to adapt and improve during pre-season, which is why we have seen the likes of Fosu, Tanner, Stacey etc not being a part of the first team. He also said quite openly that he watched the U23's at the Gas and Samuel didn't play particularly well further exacerbating the situation. Fairly certain you could add Dom Samuel to the list of players that hasn't adapted and improved adequately to put themselves in the frame for first team football.

Samuel was gash at Bristol Rovers. One of the worst performers on the day.

[marlowuk]

Getting back to the game ....

I am concerned about the number of yellow cards Reading are receiving recently. It was 5 against Ipswich (although it wasn't a particularly 'dirty' game imo) which brings our total in all competition in our last 5 games to 18 yellow cards! I'm all for players showing passion and commitment but picking up so many bookings is not helpful.

[Jagermesiter1871]

It's clear the style Jaap wants to play. Most of the new signings look decent and comfortable on the ball.

I thought the players pre- Jaap were the worst culprits giving the ball the away.

You've got to give this style time to bed in.

Both were pens for me for Reading. Ipswich one was very soft.

George Evans should have got a straight red.

Lots of empty seats. I thought there would be more optimism with treble winner Jaap at the helm.

I agree with everything kes is saying here

Me too ! Has he been hacked

wtf is this sh!t?? Has Kes forgotten he's supposed to be a spastic? or is this a new Anti-Dave character, posting sense in an odd row skipping layout??

[CountryRoyal]

Getting back to the game ....

I am concerned about the number of yellow cards Reading are receiving recently. It was 5 against Ipswich (although it wasn't a particularly 'dirty' game imo) which brings our total in all competition in our last 5 games to 18 yellow cards! I'm all for players showing passion and commitment but picking up so many bookings is not helpful.

Good point raised. Whoscored.com has us as the fourth most 'aggressive' team in the league with 16 yellows and 1 red... Perhaps a sign of the pressing game in defence Stam is trying to implement.

[Ian Royal]

I agree with everything kes is saying here

Me too ! Has he been hacked

wtf is this sh!t?? Has Kes forgotten he's supposed to be a spastic? or is this a new Anti-Dave character, posting sense in an odd row skipping layout??

it's a failed wind up about Evans deserving a red and there being empty seats. The insite is purely accidental.

[genome]

The insite is purely accidental.

What about the insight?

[CountryRoyal]

The insite is purely accidental.

What about the insight?

No it's a bit blurry.

[John Madejski's Wallet]

Getting back to the game ....

I am concerned about the number of yellow cards Reading are receiving recently. It was 5 against Ipswich (although it wasn't a particularly 'dirty' game imo) which brings our total in all competition in our last 5 games to 18 yellow cards! I'm all for players showing passion and commitment but picking up so many bookings is not helpful.

Good point raised. Whoscored.com has us as the fourth most 'aggressive' team in the league with 16 yellows and 1 red... Perhaps a sign of the pressing game in defence Stam is trying to implement.

Probably more a sign of dicking around at the back too much, getting in trouble and having to foul the oppo to stop the threat

[CountryRoyal]

Getting back to the game ....

I am concerned about the number of yellow cards Reading are receiving recently. It was 5 against Ipswich (although it wasn't a particularly 'dirty' game imo) which brings our total in all competition in our last 5 games to 18 yellow cards! I'm all for players showing passion and commitment but picking up so many bookings is not helpful.

Good point raised. Whoscored.com has us as the fourth most 'aggressive' team in the league with 16 yellows and 1 red... Perhaps a sign of the pressing game in defence Stam is trying to implement.

Probably more a sign of dicking around at the back too much, getting in trouble and having to foul the oppo to stop the threat

Shhhh. I'm trying out this whole optimistic thing. Don't ruin it for me.