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Re: Relegation

by morganb » 24 Aug 2021 09:13

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Yes I had one for that long. Dont now and didn't for ages.

He's one of the modern greats of football. If you think otherwise you're not serious

He said 1 thing allegedly that wasn't even proven right? So you can't say he's a racist based off of that. And he looks funny so what? That's just judgemental

Anybody turning down Chelsea legends and captain who will sort our defence out is mental


The only Chelsea legend who fits the bill would be Lampard… but sadly cannot see that happening given our current situation.


I would take Terry. Clearly knows his shit, gave Villa a very credible defence and learnt from a good manager too in Smith.

I've read that in his training courses he was far and away the best there


Terry graduated from the same course as our very own Quinton Fortune so he may have some input into what Terry is like with regard to coaching based on this. Or perhaps Quinton would be the one to take over at Reading?

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Re: Relegation

by Donny Ironside » 24 Aug 2021 09:16

NathStPaul As much as I don't want John Terry at the club he is definitely one of the people who would be on the list should Paunovic go. Think there are 3 leading candidates:

John Terry
Jonathan Woodgate
Alan Pardew

Would want none of them.


I would much rather Terry then the other two. At the very least will

1) sort our defence out
2) be somebody the young players will look upto, know, idolize, learn from etc
3) have enough contacts to sort loans out

List of other available and realistic managers who last managed in our league.....

Steve Cooper
Alex Neil
Neil Harris
Tony Pulis (over my dead oxf*rd body)
Gary Monk
Eddie Howe
Martin O'Neil

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Re: Relegation

by NathStPaul » 24 Aug 2021 09:21

Eddie Howe?

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Re: Relegation

by SCIAG » 24 Aug 2021 09:32

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20/21 37 games 5 assists
19/20 36 games 5 assists
18/19 16 games 2 assists

89 games 12 assists

Not great is it? His decision making is highly questionable at times, needs to be more decisive in the final third of the pitch.


Played 65 key passes last year - which are classified as passes before a shot at goal is taken.

To put that key pass stat into context, it’s as good as Harvey Elliott or Harry Wilson (on a per 90 basis) and better than Todd Cantwell. And Ejaria wasn’t one of our main set piece takers either (but tbf neither was Cantwell for Norwich). So based on the number of chances he created, Ejaria should have had about 10 assists.

I don’t think anyone compiles expected assists data for the Championship (and if they do then it is commercial data) but that seems like the best metric for judging creative players.

There’s also the whole “pass before the pass” thing as well as Ejaria’s frankly ridiculous dribbling/ball progression stats. Him and Bright Samuels were way ahead of everyone else last year, around 50% more successful dribbles than Sarr, Wallace, Buendia, Cantwell or Danjuma. He also won a lot of free kicks.

He doesn’t quite have the vision of Swift or Olise but he offers a huge amount to the team.

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Re: Relegation

by WestYorksRoyal » 24 Aug 2021 09:34

NathStPaul Eddie Howe?

Dream on


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Re: Relegation

by NathStPaul » 24 Aug 2021 09:36

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NathStPaul Eddie Howe?

Dream on

Not my suggestion, it was a name mentioned in the list above my post. I was questioning the logic of anyone thinking he would come here. Not a chance in hell.

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Re: Relegation

by SCIAG » 24 Aug 2021 09:43

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NathStPaul As much as I don't want John Terry at the club he is definitely one of the people who would be on the list should Paunovic go. Think there are 3 leading candidates:

John Terry
Jonathan Woodgate
Alan Pardew

Would want none of them.


I would much rather Terry then the other two. At the very least will

1) sort our defence out
2) be somebody the young players will look upto, know, idolize, learn from etc
3) have enough contacts to sort loans out

List of other available and realistic managers who last managed in our league.....

Steve Cooper
Alex Neil
Neil Harris
Tony Pulis (over my dead oxf*rd body)
Gary Monk
Eddie Howe
Martin O'Neil

John Terry isn’t someone our young players should be looking up to. Anton Ferdinand and Wayne Bridge are both former Reading players and most of our players are black - keep Terry a mile away from this club.

Also think it’s far from guaranteed he’d sort out our defence. The worst our defence has been in a very long time was under Jaap Stam…

Tbh Hughton is the master of promotion from this level and would be who I want. Howe hasn’t managed at this level for about a decade and will probably be after a top flight job.

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Re: Relegation

by Donny Ironside » 24 Aug 2021 09:44

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The only Chelsea legend who fits the bill would be Lampard… but sadly cannot see that happening given our current situation.


I would take Terry. Clearly knows his shit, gave Villa a very credible defence and learnt from a good manager too in Smith.

I've read that in his training courses he was far and away the best there


Terry graduated from the same course as our very own Quinton Fortune so he may have some input into what Terry is like with regard to coaching based on this. Or perhaps Quinton would be the one to take over at Reading?

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Re: Relegation

by Donny Ironside » 24 Aug 2021 09:46

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NathStPaul As much as I don't want John Terry at the club he is definitely one of the people who would be on the list should Paunovic go. Think there are 3 leading candidates:

John Terry
Jonathan Woodgate
Alan Pardew

Would want none of them.


I would much rather Terry then the other two. At the very least will

1) sort our defence out
2) be somebody the young players will look upto, know, idolize, learn from etc
3) have enough contacts to sort loans out

List of other available and realistic managers who last managed in our league.....

Steve Cooper
Alex Neil
Neil Harris
Tony Pulis (over my dead oxf*rd body)
Gary Monk
Eddie Howe
Martin O'Neil

John Terry isn’t someone our young players should be looking up to. Anton Ferdinand and Wayne Bridge are both former Reading players and most of our players are black - keep Terry a mile away from this club.

Also think it’s far from guaranteed he’d sort out our defence. The worst our defence has been in a very long time was under Jaap Stam…

Tbh Hughton is the master of promotion from this level and would be who I want. Howe hasn’t managed at this level for about a decade and will probably be after a top flight job.


He was found not guilty of it in court

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_v_Terry

Does not mean he isn't a thick idiot who cheats on his wife, but to say our players should not idolize one of our countries best ever defenders is absolute oxf*rd laughable.

Hughton would be good but he knows he can do a job in the PL.


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Re: Relegation

by Hendo » 24 Aug 2021 09:48

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NathStPaul As much as I don't want John Terry at the club he is definitely one of the people who would be on the list should Paunovic go. Think there are 3 leading candidates:

John Terry
Jonathan Woodgate
Alan Pardew

Would want none of them.


I would much rather Terry then the other two. At the very least will

1) sort our defence out
2) be somebody the young players will look upto, know, idolize, learn from etc
3) have enough contacts to sort loans out

List of other available and realistic managers who last managed in our league.....

Steve Cooper
Alex Neil
Neil Harris
Tony Pulis (over my dead oxf*rd body)
Gary Monk
Eddie Howe
Martin O'Neil

John Terry isn’t someone our young players should be looking up to. Anton Ferdinand and Wayne Bridge are both former Reading players and most of our players are black - keep Terry a mile away from this club.

Also think it’s far from guaranteed he’d sort out our defence. The worst our defence has been in a very long time was under Jaap Stam…

Tbh Hughton is the master of promotion from this level and would be who I want. Howe hasn’t managed at this level for about a decade and will probably be after a top flight job.


Aye, doing a oxf*rd wonderful job at Forest at the moment...

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Re: Relegation

by NathStPaul » 24 Aug 2021 09:49

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I would much rather Terry then the other two. At the very least will

1) sort our defence out
2) be somebody the young players will look upto, know, idolize, learn from etc
3) have enough contacts to sort loans out

List of other available and realistic managers who last managed in our league.....

Steve Cooper
Alex Neil
Neil Harris
Tony Pulis (over my dead oxf*rd body)
Gary Monk
Eddie Howe
Martin O'Neil

John Terry isn’t someone our young players should be looking up to. Anton Ferdinand and Wayne Bridge are both former Reading players and most of our players are black - keep Terry a mile away from this club.

Also think it’s far from guaranteed he’d sort out our defence. The worst our defence has been in a very long time was under Jaap Stam…

Tbh Hughton is the master of promotion from this level and would be who I want. Howe hasn’t managed at this level for about a decade and will probably be after a top flight job.


He was found not guilty of it in court

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_v_Terry

Does not mean he isn't a thick idiot who cheats on his wife, but to say our players should not idolize one of our countries best ever defenders is absolute oxf*rd laughable.

Hughton would be good but he knows he can do a job in the PL.

Chris Hughton is at Nottingham Forest. Nottingham Forest who have zero points this season.

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Re: Relegation

by Donny Ironside » 24 Aug 2021 09:54

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SCIAG John Terry isn’t someone our young players should be looking up to. Anton Ferdinand and Wayne Bridge are both former Reading players and most of our players are black - keep Terry a mile away from this club.

Also think it’s far from guaranteed he’d sort out our defence. The worst our defence has been in a very long time was under Jaap Stam…

Tbh Hughton is the master of promotion from this level and would be who I want. Howe hasn’t managed at this level for about a decade and will probably be after a top flight job.


He was found not guilty of it in court

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_v_Terry

Does not mean he isn't a thick idiot who cheats on his wife, but to say our players should not idolize one of our countries best ever defenders is absolute oxf*rd laughable.

Hughton would be good but he knows he can do a job in the PL.

Chris Hughton is at Nottingham Forest. Nottingham Forest who have zero points this season.


Basket case club from the top they are and without the players to work with. I do not think he is the worst manager in the world. Wasn't so bad at Newcastle, Birmingham or Brighton in our league with the players behind him. Last season took them from bottom with 0 points to 17th.

We could do a lot worse tbh.
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Re: Relegation

by paultheroyal » 24 Aug 2021 09:55

I am behind the manager but its not just this season its the continued run of games and win ratio - its utterly dreadful. Thats the concern.

If he was to go, none on that list above should be anywhere near this team. Terry is a ridiculous appointment because as soon as he proves his worth, if at all, he would be taken by another club, again, no continuity.

We have tried foreign, old school, mixed results. Gareth Ainsworth for me has proved his worth, started well, and i like to see his fresh ideas given a go.


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Re: Relegation

by NathStPaul » 24 Aug 2021 09:55

But he isn't available, we aren't going to be paying compensation. He is also on a lot more than we can afford to pay him at Forest.

No.

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Re: Relegation

by NathStPaul » 24 Aug 2021 09:56

paultheroyal I am behind the manager but its not just this season its the continued run of games and win ratio - its utterly dreadful. Thats the concern.

If he was to go, none on that list above should be anywhere near this team. Terry is a ridiculous appointment because as soon as he proves his worth, if at all, he would be taken by another club, again, no continuity.

We have tried foreign, old school, mixed results. Gareth Ainsworth for me has proved his worth, started well, and i like to see his fresh ideas given a go.

Thats my number 1 choice, has been for a while. If you believe what I heard, he was interviewed before Bowen got the job.

Sadly I cannot see Reading paying his enormous release fee at Wycombe.

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Re: Relegation

by Donny Ironside » 24 Aug 2021 10:04

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paultheroyal I am behind the manager but its not just this season its the continued run of games and win ratio - its utterly dreadful. Thats the concern.

If he was to go, none on that list above should be anywhere near this team. Terry is a ridiculous appointment because as soon as he proves his worth, if at all, he would be taken by another club, again, no continuity.

We have tried foreign, old school, mixed results. Gareth Ainsworth for me has proved his worth, started well, and i like to see his fresh ideas given a go.

Thats my number 1 choice, has been for a while. If you believe what I heard, he was interviewed before Bowen got the job.

Sadly I cannot see Reading paying his enormous release fee at Wycombe.


What is his fee?

Shame as he is a great manager. A modern day maverick, and has amazing hair to boot.

If he was interviewed and we did not get him before Bowen, that was one of the more ridiculous decisions the club has made.

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Re: Relegation

by NathStPaul » 24 Aug 2021 10:06

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paultheroyal I am behind the manager but its not just this season its the continued run of games and win ratio - its utterly dreadful. Thats the concern.

If he was to go, none on that list above should be anywhere near this team. Terry is a ridiculous appointment because as soon as he proves his worth, if at all, he would be taken by another club, again, no continuity.

We have tried foreign, old school, mixed results. Gareth Ainsworth for me has proved his worth, started well, and i like to see his fresh ideas given a go.

Thats my number 1 choice, has been for a while. If you believe what I heard, he was interviewed before Bowen got the job.

Sadly I cannot see Reading paying his enormous release fee at Wycombe.


What is his fee?

Shame as he is a great manager. A modern day maverick, and has amazing hair to boot.

I am a friend of someone who works at Wycombe. The release fee is millions, came in when he signed his new deal there. Previously he worked there on a rolling contract, we could have got him for nothing.

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Re: Relegation

by Donny Ironside » 24 Aug 2021 10:07

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NathStPaul Thats my number 1 choice, has been for a while. If you believe what I heard, he was interviewed before Bowen got the job.

Sadly I cannot see Reading paying his enormous release fee at Wycombe.


What is his fee?

Shame as he is a great manager. A modern day maverick, and has amazing hair to boot.

I am a friend of someone who works are Wycombe. The release fee is millions, came in when he signed his new deal there. Previously he worked there on a rolling contract, we could have got him for nothing.


Absolute stupidity from the club. I could imagine he would have wanted to come here aswell.

Oh well.

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Re: Relegation

by Snowflake Royal » 24 Aug 2021 12:08

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I would much rather Terry then the other two. At the very least will

1) sort our defence out
2) be somebody the young players will look upto, know, idolize, learn from etc
3) have enough contacts to sort loans out

List of other available and realistic managers who last managed in our league.....

Steve Cooper
Alex Neil
Neil Harris
Tony Pulis (over my dead oxf*rd body)
Gary Monk
Eddie Howe
Martin O'Neil

John Terry isn’t someone our young players should be looking up to. Anton Ferdinand and Wayne Bridge are both former Reading players and most of our players are black - keep Terry a mile away from this club.

Also think it’s far from guaranteed he’d sort out our defence. The worst our defence has been in a very long time was under Jaap Stam…

Tbh Hughton is the master of promotion from this level and would be who I want. Howe hasn’t managed at this level for about a decade and will probably be after a top flight job.


Aye, doing a oxf*rd wonderful job at Forest at the moment...

No one can work that big a miracle. His record speaks for itself.

And his stint at Forest suggests he might finally be desperate enough to accept us.

But I doubt it and I doubt we could afford him, and we shouldn't be looking for a new manager anyway.

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Re: Relegation

by Donny Ironside » 24 Aug 2021 13:53

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SCIAG John Terry isn’t someone our young players should be looking up to. Anton Ferdinand and Wayne Bridge are both former Reading players and most of our players are black - keep Terry a mile away from this club.

Also think it’s far from guaranteed he’d sort out our defence. The worst our defence has been in a very long time was under Jaap Stam…

Tbh Hughton is the master of promotion from this level and would be who I want. Howe hasn’t managed at this level for about a decade and will probably be after a top flight job.


Aye, doing a oxf*rd wonderful job at Forest at the moment...

No one can work that big a miracle. His record speaks for itself.

And his stint at Forest suggests he might finally be desperate enough to accept us.

But I doubt it and I doubt we could afford him, and we shouldn't be looking for a new manager anyway.


Promoted with Newcastle and smashed the league and then sacked which was badly received
Got into the playoffs with Brum and lost to Blackpool
Stayed in the Prem with Norwich and avoided relegation, which they have been unable to do since
Went up with Brighton but bottled the title
Took after a basketcase Forest with 0 points and led them to 17th

Not too shabby IMO

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