Will relegation hurt you?

[Loafer]

yeah people crying about this and going mental like jimmy last night about some friends jobs is a bit

it is a game ffs and we are men, crying at football is pathetic

[From Despair To Where?]

Brighton, Brentford, Wolves, Leicester, Leeds, Nottingham Forest, Southampton, Sheffield United, Coventry, Blackburn, Sunderland, Norwich, Ipswich, Sheffield Wednesday, Derby, Bolton, Charlton


All clubs who are bigger or similar size who have been in League 1 more recently than us. That includes over a third of the Premiership (and I'm not including Bournemouth).

[Loafer]

Brighton, Brentford, Wolves, Leicester, Leeds, Nottingham Forest, Southampton, Sheffield United, Coventry, Blackburn, Sunderland, Norwich, Ipswich, Sheffield Wednesday, Derby, Bolton, Charlton


All clubs who are bigger or similar size who have been in League 1 more recently than us.

maybe we need it to rebuild from the bottom and slowly come up again?

[Snowflake Royal]

Football's cyclic

Doesn't have to be. Six teams have been in the PL for the last 30 years. We've been in the top two divisions for more than 20 years.
Our relegation is a consequence of a series of poor decisions and parlous management over a period of time, not due to some natural cycle.
It was totally avoidable and Reading fans should be angry at what's happened to the club rather than meekly accepting its fate.

A few in L1 won't hurt us

Of course it will hurt us. Every single thing about relegation is bad for the club. We've undone a quarter of a century of progress.

The cycles aren't regular or fixed and don't have to mean promotion and relegation. All clubs go through relative good and bad spells.

For the vast majority, there's always more football and the tides eventually turn. Sooner or later there will be good decisions and bad decisions.

We've spent ten years undoing 15 years of progress. Sometimes you need to step down to be able to move forward.

At the end of the day, Reading will still be playing 46 league games next season.

[The Royal Forester]

After we were relegated in the 1930's, how long did it take us to get back to the second tier? About 50 years! We improved as a club/team with the move to a new stadium, with a lot of new supporters and a chairman who had the ambition to get little old Reading into the top tier (I for one said "Dream on, mate", which I think a lot of others thought) which combined to set us into the club's most successful period. This time around we will not have a new ground, in fact the club dosen't even have their own ground, Fewer fans though the gates instead of new fans to give the club/team a boost, a chairman who doesn't appear to care much for the club. Anyone want another fifty years bouncing between the tier 3 and 4? Not me.

[Millsy]

Let’s gut the bullshit and get real about this.

It will hurt for 5mins then we’ll get over it, calm down and carry on supporting.

Yes we all want to get to the PL and win it but we know the latter is never going to happen and we’ll be on a perpetual journey of yearning for the rest of our lives. That journey is the whole point of following football.

Let’s not pretend that life is fun and easy. For most of us it isn’t. Life is a bitch with a shitload of worries and stresses constantly. Football is a moment of distraction from the shit in our lives. For most on this sub also a connection with our youth also. A constant love in our lives.

That journey has been so painful for the last decade or so. Week after week, crap after crap. Something that’s meant to be a happy distraction from the troubles of life end up just exacerbating the underlying stress as I leave most Saturday afternoons feeling more unhappy than I started off.

At least in League One those afternoons will much more likely lead to happiness and serve their purpose as a positive distraction to life’s woes.

Chin up. Enjoy the ride wherever it may be.

[Orion1871]

Let’s gut the bullshit and get real about this.

It will hurt for 5mins then we’ll get over it, calm down and carry on supporting.

Yes we all want to get to the PL and win it but we know the latter is never going to happen and we’ll be on a perpetual journey of yearning for the rest of our lives. That journey is the whole point of following football.

Let’s not pretend that life is fun and easy. For most of us it isn’t. Life is a bitch with a shitload of worries and stresses constantly. Football is a moment of distraction from the shit in our lives. For most on this sub also a connection with our youth also. A constant love in our lives.

That journey has been so painful for the last decade or so. Week after week, crap after crap. Something that’s meant to be a happy distraction from the troubles of life end up just exacerbating the underlying stress as I leave most Saturday afternoons feeling more unhappy than I started off.

At least in League One those afternoons will much more likely lead to happiness and serve their purpose as a positive distraction to life’s woes.

Chin up. Enjoy the ride wherever it may be.

Screw this. Dai is totally at fault for everything. Spending shitloads but never bringing in a proper manager to make most of the players. Never having a proper manager lined up when sacking one, just taking a punt with nobodies. Just f**k it all. Totally deserve to go down.

Screw football, I'll probably take a break for a couple of years.

An up and down ride since the 1995 playoff final but it's just been shite after shite in the last decade or so.

[Mid Sussex Royal]

After we were relegated in the 1930's, how long did it take us to get back to the second tier? About 50 years! We improved as a club/team with the move to a new stadium, with a lot of new supporters and a chairman who had the ambition to get little old Reading into the top tier (I for one said "Dream on, mate", which I think a lot of others thought) which combined to set us into the club's most successful period. This time around we will not have a new ground, in fact the club dosen't even have their own ground, Fewer fans though the gates instead of new fans to give the club/team a boost, a chairman who doesn't appear to care much for the club. Anyone want another fifty years bouncing between the tier 3 and 4? Not me.

Bit different then, no play offs and only the champions were promoted due to regionalised leagues pre division 4.

We finished second several seasons in third div south didn't we?

[Millsy]

Let’s gut the bullshit and get real about this.

It will hurt for 5mins then we’ll get over it, calm down and carry on supporting.

Yes we all want to get to the PL and win it but we know the latter is never going to happen and we’ll be on a perpetual journey of yearning for the rest of our lives. That journey is the whole point of following football.

Let’s not pretend that life is fun and easy. For most of us it isn’t. Life is a bitch with a shitload of worries and stresses constantly. Football is a moment of distraction from the shit in our lives. For most on this sub also a connection with our youth also. A constant love in our lives.

That journey has been so painful for the last decade or so. Week after week, crap after crap. Something that’s meant to be a happy distraction from the troubles of life end up just exacerbating the underlying stress as I leave most Saturday afternoons feeling more unhappy than I started off.

At least in League One those afternoons will much more likely lead to happiness and serve their purpose as a positive distraction to life’s woes.

Chin up. Enjoy the ride wherever it may be.

Screw this. Dai is totally at fault for everything. Spending shitloads but never bringing in a proper manager to make most of the players. Never having a proper manager lined up when sacking one, just taking a punt with nobodies. Just f**k it all. Totally deserve to go down.

Screw football, I'll probably take a break for a couple of years.

An up and down ride since the 1995 playoff final but it's just been shite after shite in the last decade or so.

Humans are emotional beings shocker.

That’s how I and many of us felt yesterday but when the dust settles life carries on. What a great example eh?

Watch this space for many more moments of emotional chimp brain Millsy vs more rational Millsy. I don’t have multiple HNA accounts unlike some. This is me and I’ll forever move between the two.

[Snowflake Royal]

After we were relegated in the 1930's, how long did it take us to get back to the second tier? About 50 years! We improved as a club/team with the move to a new stadium, with a lot of new supporters and a chairman who had the ambition to get little old Reading into the top tier (I for one said "Dream on, mate", which I think a lot of others thought) which combined to set us into the club's most successful period. This time around we will not have a new ground, in fact the club dosen't even have their own ground, Fewer fans though the gates instead of new fans to give the club/team a boost, a chairman who doesn't appear to care much for the club. Anyone want another fifty years bouncing between the tier 3 and 4? Not me.

comparing us now to us in the 30s.

Yes we don't own the stadium. Currently that makes absolutely zero difference to anything because its still owned by ourowner and we still play in.

It's like people want invent reasons for things to be awful.

[genome]

So much melodrama around here.

Reading will be fine.

[Royal_jimmy]

Let’s gut the bullshit and get real about this.

It will hurt for 5mins then we’ll get over it, calm down and carry on supporting.

Yes we all want to get to the PL and win it but we know the latter is never going to happen and we’ll be on a perpetual journey of yearning for the rest of our lives. That journey is the whole point of following football.

Let’s not pretend that life is fun and easy. For most of us it isn’t. Life is a bitch with a shitload of worries and stresses constantly. Football is a moment of distraction from the shit in our lives. For most on this sub also a connection with our youth also. A constant love in our lives.

That journey has been so painful for the last decade or so. Week after week, crap after crap. Something that’s meant to be a happy distraction from the troubles of life end up just exacerbating the underlying stress as I leave most Saturday afternoons feeling more unhappy than I started off.

At least in League One those afternoons will much more likely lead to happiness and serve their purpose as a positive distraction to life’s woes.

Chin up. Enjoy the ride wherever it may be.

Screw this. Dai is totally at fault for everything. Spending shitloads but never bringing in a proper manager to make most of the players. Never having a proper manager lined up when sacking one, just taking a punt with nobodies. Just f**k it all. Totally deserve to go down.

Screw football, I'll probably take a break for a couple of years.

An up and down ride since the 1995 playoff final but it's just been shite after shite in the last decade or so.

Maybe he's calmed down now after emotion was so high yesterday following the defeat and our rivals winning.

Here's the reality; league one will bring so much uncertainty for the club. There's a risk of administration if Dai pulls the plug on us, if we go bust it won't really matter to him. We could drop again to L2 or worse. We may do an Ipswich and bounce back stronger which looks like it'll happen now for them but let's face it, Ipswich get bigger crowds/revenues so can invest more. I feel more like we'll do a Charlton, be midtable league one with the occasional stint in the championship for the next decade. Ipswich went down from a lack of investment, we're being relegated due to overspending and a lack of a strategy from Dayong Pang and Dai Yongge, the relegation is on both of them. Not Ince, Bowen or any of the players.

Will always be a fan but using football to escape and seeing us decline as a club is hard to take. Next season will be interesting doing some new grounds but if we don't bounce back quickly it'll be a depressingly tedious league.

As for the ownership, who will buy us? A football club with no stadium, no training ground or any assets and a load of debt.

[Snowflake Royal]

Let’s gut the bullshit and get real about this.

It will hurt for 5mins then we’ll get over it, calm down and carry on supporting.

Yes we all want to get to the PL and win it but we know the latter is never going to happen and we’ll be on a perpetual journey of yearning for the rest of our lives. That journey is the whole point of following football.

Let’s not pretend that life is fun and easy. For most of us it isn’t. Life is a bitch with a shitload of worries and stresses constantly. Football is a moment of distraction from the shit in our lives. For most on this sub also a connection with our youth also. A constant love in our lives.

That journey has been so painful for the last decade or so. Week after week, crap after crap. Something that’s meant to be a happy distraction from the troubles of life end up just exacerbating the underlying stress as I leave most Saturday afternoons feeling more unhappy than I started off.

At least in League One those afternoons will much more likely lead to happiness and serve their purpose as a positive distraction to life’s woes.

Chin up. Enjoy the ride wherever it may be.

Screw this. Dai is totally at fault for everything. Spending shitloads but never bringing in a proper manager to make most of the players. Never having a proper manager lined up when sacking one, just taking a punt with nobodies. Just f**k it all. Totally deserve to go down.

Screw football, I'll probably take a break for a couple of years.

An up and down ride since the 1995 playoff final but it's just been shite after shite in the last decade or so.

Maybe he's calmed down now after emotion was so high yesterday following the defeat and our rivals winning.

Here's the reality; league one will bring so much uncertainty for the club. There's a risk of administration if Dai pulls the plug on us, if we go bust it won't really matter to him. We could drop again to L2 or worse. We may do an Ipswich and bounce back stronger which looks like it'll happen now but let's face it, Ipswich get bigger crowds/revenues so can invest more. I feel more like we'll do a Charlton, be midtable league one with the occasional stint in the championship for the next decade.

Will always be a fan but using football to escape and seeing us decline as a club is hard to take. Next season will be interesting doing some new grounds but if we don't bounce back quickly it'll be a depressingly tedious league.

As for the ownership, who will buy us? A football club with no stadium, no training ground or any assets and a load of debt.

Please do explain how there's a risk of administration?

The debt is to Dai. You put a club into administration because you can't pay creditors who want their money back, so you can agree to pay them pennies in the pound to wipe the debt.

In what circumstances is Dai going to put the club into administration so he can negotiate with himself to pay himself back pennies on the pound for the money he owes himself?

Dai only gets anything back by selling. He gains nothing by folding the club or putting it in administration.

If Dai sells the club, there's no reason he doesn't sell the stadium and training ground too. They're useless to him without the club. The stadium is worth oxf*rd all without a football team. Redeveloping would be fraught with issues and hugely expensive.

[Royal_jimmy]

We could go into administration if Dai decides not to fund the club anymore and players/staff/agents don't get paid. If the rumour is true that money is drying up on his side. Obviously all speculation but I don't think admin could ever be ruled out.

[Snowflake Royal]

We could go into administration if Dai decides not to fund the club anymore and players don't get paid.

Thankfully the club has income independent of Dai and has just been forced to slash its funding.

Administration can't help with player debt because league rules say it mustbe paid in full.

So no.

Stop your manchild tantrums and making up disaster myths.

[Snowflake Royal]

Every year three clubs are relegated from the Championship. And every year they continue to operate with almost no exceptions.

The way some of you lot behave you'd think the 92 would actually be the 13 by now if relegation is that cataclysmic.

[Hound]

Let’s gut the bullshit and get real about this.

It will hurt for 5mins then we’ll get over it, calm down and carry on supporting.

Yes we all want to get to the PL and win it but we know the latter is never going to happen and we’ll be on a perpetual journey of yearning for the rest of our lives. That journey is the whole point of following football.

Let’s not pretend that life is fun and easy. For most of us it isn’t. Life is a bitch with a shitload of worries and stresses constantly. Football is a moment of distraction from the shit in our lives. For most on this sub also a connection with our youth also. A constant love in our lives.

That journey has been so painful for the last decade or so. Week after week, crap after crap. Something that’s meant to be a happy distraction from the troubles of life end up just exacerbating the underlying stress as I leave most Saturday afternoons feeling more unhappy than I started off.

At least in League One those afternoons will much more likely lead to happiness and serve their purpose as a positive distraction to life’s woes.

Chin up. Enjoy the ride wherever it may be.

Screw this. Dai is totally at fault for everything. Spending shitloads but never bringing in a proper manager to make most of the players. Never having a proper manager lined up when sacking one, just taking a punt with nobodies. Just f**k it all. Totally deserve to go down.

Screw football, I'll probably take a break for a couple of years.

An up and down ride since the 1995 playoff final but it's just been shite after shite in the last decade or so.

Humans are emotional beings shocker.

That’s how I and many of us felt yesterday but when the dust settles life carries on. What a great example eh?

Watch this space for many more moments of emotional chimp brain Millsy vs more rational Millsy. I don’t have multiple HNA accounts unlike some. This is me and I’ll forever move between the two.

That was quite funny tbf

[TiagoIlori]

There’s a lot of people screaming about our finances, am I missing something? The weekly wage bill is about to be totally slashed by like 60k with Joao, Meite, Moore all going. Puscas likely to go as well. The debt is almost interest free and is to the owner, hence would likely be written off if the club was to be sold.

Wouldn’t say it’s glorious, but not exactly like we’re on the brink of extinction. We were in a far worse position two years ago and people were screaming at the EFL for not letting us spend.

[Elm Park Kid]

1. Even in the Championship, the club is dependent on the owner's money to pay the wage bill. In 2021/22 our revenue only covered our non-wage expenditure. Meaning that every single penny of our salary budget was paid for through either owner investment or borrowing.
2. If we get relegated then our reliance on the owners becomes even stronger as you take a pretty big hit in revenue. Obviously we will cut our salary budget massively as well, but the fall in revenue will probably be more.
3. If the owners decide that they no longer want to bankroll the club then that simply means they find a buyer or they put the club into administration. Either way they have to write off most of the clubs debt to them.

[TiagoIlori]

Nothing unique then. Plenty of Championship clubs have dropped in and come back up or are fighting for promotion. We’ll see where we are at Christmas.