Good uses and bad uses of Liam Fraser

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Good uses and bad uses of Liam Fraser

by WestYorksRoyal » 17 Aug 2025 10:09

Good uses
As cover for Wing when injured
To be a deeper option that allows Wing to push forward
As part of a double pivot when defending a lead or against high calibre opposition

Bad uses
As an attacking or creative midfielder when Doyle and Elliott are available.

Discuss.

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Re: Good uses and bad uses of Liam Fraser

by South Coast Royal » 17 Aug 2025 10:21

WestYorksRoyal Good uses
As cover for Wing when injured
To be a deeper option that allows Wing to push forward
As part of a double pivot when defending a lead or against high calibre opposition

Bad uses
As an attacking or creative midfielder when Doyle and Elliott are available.

Discuss.


Hunt tried to explain why a fit Elliott wasn't used yesterday but wasn't convincing.
Why buy a defensive midfielder who is allowed to roam all over the place?

Lack of a sound structure, and not just being without a proper striker, is one of the faults with this side.

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Re: Good uses and bad uses of Liam Fraser

by Esteban » 17 Aug 2025 10:30

WestYorksRoyal Good uses
As cover for Wing when injured
To be a deeper option that allows Wing to push forward
As part of a double pivot when defending a lead or against high calibre opposition

Bad uses
As an attacking or creative midfielder when Doyle and Elliott are available.

Discuss.


Yeah, everything you said.

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Re: Good uses and bad uses of Liam Fraser

by Sutekh » 17 Aug 2025 10:31

WestYorksRoyal Good uses
As cover for Wing when injured
To be a deeper option that allows Wing to push forward
As part of a double pivot when defending a lead or against high calibre opposition

Bad uses
As an attacking or creative midfielder when Doyle and Elliott are available.

Discuss.


Bad Uses
As an ashtray
As a replacement plumber when yours is on holiday
As a country vet

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Re: Good uses and bad uses of Liam Fraser

by West F » 17 Aug 2025 12:49

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WestYorksRoyal Good uses
As cover for Wing when injured
To be a deeper option that allows Wing to push forward
As part of a double pivot when defending a lead or against high calibre opposition

Bad uses
As an attacking or creative midfielder when Doyle and Elliott are available.

Discuss.


Hunt tried to explain why a fit Elliott wasn't used yesterday but wasn't convincing.
Why buy a defensive midfielder who is allowed to roam all over the place?

Lack of a sound structure, and not just being without a proper striker, is one of the faults with this side.


Technically, we didn’t buy him. I think only one club has in his history. He is a squad utility player, not a player you build a side around. On this basis he is cover, nothing more. There is no discussion about how to get the best out of him. What you are seeing is the best. He is 27, not 19. He is the finished article.


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Re: Good uses and bad uses of Liam Fraser

by Snowflake Royal » 18 Aug 2025 08:02

WestYorksRoyal Good uses
As cover for Wing when injured
To be a deeper option that allows Wing to push forward
As part of a double pivot when defending a lead or against high calibre opposition

Bad uses
As an attacking or creative midfielder when Doyle and Elliott are available.

Discuss.

Completely agree. Fin.

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Re: Good uses and bad uses of Liam Fraser

by Mid Sussex Royal » 18 Aug 2025 11:11

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WestYorksRoyal Good uses
As cover for Wing when injured
To be a deeper option that allows Wing to push forward
As part of a double pivot when defending a lead or against high calibre opposition

Bad uses
As an attacking or creative midfielder when Doyle and Elliott are available.

Discuss.


Hunt tried to explain why a fit Elliott wasn't used yesterday but wasn't convincing.
Why buy a defensive midfielder who is allowed to roam all over the place?

Lack of a sound structure, and not just being without a proper striker, is one of the faults with this side.


Yes - it was a "second ball game"....most in L1 are which suggests to me Elliott won't be a regular starter. What a waste.

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Re: Good uses and bad uses of Liam Fraser

by WestYorksRoyal » 18 Aug 2025 11:27

Doesn't Elliott only have a year left on his contract? Worst case is he doesn't feature like he should, leave for peanuts in January then smashes it for another club who knows how to use him properly.

Whereas it should be we make him a key part of the team, tie him down, watch him develop and sell him on for proper money in 18 months to 2 years.

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Re: Good uses and bad uses of Liam Fraser

by Hound » 18 Aug 2025 12:54

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WestYorksRoyal Good uses
As cover for Wing when injured
To be a deeper option that allows Wing to push forward
As part of a double pivot when defending a lead or against high calibre opposition

Bad uses
As an attacking or creative midfielder when Doyle and Elliott are available.

Discuss.


Hunt tried to explain why a fit Elliott wasn't used yesterday but wasn't convincing.
Why buy a defensive midfielder who is allowed to roam all over the place?

Lack of a sound structure, and not just being without a proper striker, is one of the faults with this side.


O Mahony is, and was brought into be a proper striker. Whether he is any good is the question. Been poor so far certainly with the caveat the service has been appalling


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Re: Good uses and bad uses of Liam Fraser

by linkenholtroyal » 18 Aug 2025 19:48

Sutekh
WestYorksRoyal Good uses
As cover for Wing when injured
To be a deeper option that allows Wing to push forward
As part of a double pivot when defending a lead or against high calibre opposition

Bad uses
As an attacking or creative midfielder when Doyle and Elliott are available.

Discuss.


Bad Uses
As an ashtray
As a replacement plumber when yours is on holiday
As a country vet


Wouldn’t make a bad hat or coat stand though, quite a tall chap.

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Re: Good uses and bad uses of Liam Fraser

by South Coast Royal » 19 Aug 2025 16:29

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WestYorksRoyal Good uses
As cover for Wing when injured
To be a deeper option that allows Wing to push forward
As part of a double pivot when defending a lead or against high calibre opposition

Bad uses
As an attacking or creative midfielder when Doyle and Elliott are available.

Discuss.


Hunt tried to explain why a fit Elliott wasn't used yesterday but wasn't convincing.
Why buy a defensive midfielder who is allowed to roam all over the place?

Lack of a sound structure, and not just being without a proper striker, is one of the faults with this side.


O Mahony is, and was brought into be a proper striker. Whether he is any good is the question. Been poor so far certainly with the caveat the service has been appalling


A proper central striker generally is somebody who can hold up play, is good in the air, knows how to lose his marker, can shoot and head a ball.
So far the young lad hasn't shown any of those so my point stands that we need a proper striker.

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Re: Good uses and bad uses of Liam Fraser

by Snowflake Royal » 19 Aug 2025 16:30

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Hunt tried to explain why a fit Elliott wasn't used yesterday but wasn't convincing.
Why buy a defensive midfielder who is allowed to roam all over the place?

Lack of a sound structure, and not just being without a proper striker, is one of the faults with this side.


O Mahony is, and was brought into be a proper striker. Whether he is any good is the question. Been poor so far certainly with the caveat the service has been appalling


A proper central striker generally is somebody who can hold up play, is good in the air, knows how to lose his marker, can shoot and head a ball.
So far the young lad hasn't shown any of those so my point stands that we need a proper striker.
So far the young lad has shown

So Forster, Cureton and Le Fondre weren't proper strikers? Riiiiight.

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Re: Good uses and bad uses of Liam Fraser

by Hound » 19 Aug 2025 16:38

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Hunt tried to explain why a fit Elliott wasn't used yesterday but wasn't convincing.
Why buy a defensive midfielder who is allowed to roam all over the place?

Lack of a sound structure, and not just being without a proper striker, is one of the faults with this side.


O Mahony is, and was brought into be a proper striker. Whether he is any good is the question. Been poor so far certainly with the caveat the service has been appalling


A proper central striker generally is somebody who can hold up play, is good in the air, knows how to lose his marker, can shoot and head a ball.
So far the young lad hasn't shown any of those so my point stands that we need a proper striker.


And my point stands that the service to him has been so poor he’s been unable to prove any of those one way or another. Except maybe not being able to head hopeful long balls punted in his general direction


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Re: Good uses and bad uses of Liam Fraser

by Forbury Lion » 19 Aug 2025 16:40

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Goalkeeper
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Re: Good uses and bad uses of Liam Fraser

by South Coast Royal » 19 Aug 2025 16:42

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O Mahony is, and was brought into be a proper striker. Whether he is any good is the question. Been poor so far certainly with the caveat the service has been appalling


A proper central striker generally is somebody who can hold up play, is good in the air, knows how to lose his marker, can shoot and head a ball.
So far the young lad hasn't shown any of those so my point stands that we need a proper striker.
So far the young lad has shown

So Forster, Cureton and Le Fondre weren't proper strikers? Riiiiight.


Try not posting so quickly Ian-I said "generally" and "centrally" and I guess you think that the top teams in the country don't all have and spent a fortune on central strikers well over 6ft tall, e.g. Ekitike, Gyokeres,Haaland and Isak but I have been away for too long and forgotten that you know so much more than Slot,Arteta, Pep and Howe. :wink:

At the moment we are greatly in need of a Dixon, Senior or a Kitson rather than the 3 you mentioned.

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Re: Good uses and bad uses of Liam Fraser

by South Coast Royal » 19 Aug 2025 16:44

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O Mahony is, and was brought into be a proper striker. Whether he is any good is the question. Been poor so far certainly with the caveat the service has been appalling


A proper central striker generally is somebody who can hold up play, is good in the air, knows how to lose his marker, can shoot and head a ball.
So far the young lad hasn't shown any of those so my point stands that we need a proper striker.


And my point stands that the service to him has been so poor he’s been unable to prove any of those one way or another. Except maybe not being able to head hopeful long balls punted in his general direction


I don't disagree but early signs have not been good.

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