Hillsborough Docudrama

[Deathy]

Small pockets of fans at every club no matter who they are are utter w@nkers. No great shocker. Even this little family club!

[Barry the bird boggler]

But safe standing terraces will be no more dangerous than all seater stadiums.

Agreed, Safe standing areas just as safe as all seated areas of a stadium. It all comes down to how things are managed.

[Zammo]

Has there ever been a Heysel docudrama ?

At approximately 7pm local time, an hour before kick-off, the trouble started.[6] The Liverpool and Juventus supporters in sections Y and Z stood merely yards apart. The boundary between the two was marked by temporary Chain link fencing and a central thinly-policed no-man's land.[7]. Missiles began to be thrown across the divide. Fans could pick up stones from the terraces beneath them.
As kick-off approached, the throwing became more intense. A group of Liverpool fans charged across the terraces, through and over the wire fence into section Z causing the Juventus fans to retreat. Having no way out, the Juventus fans moved towards the side perimeter wall, near to the corner flag. Some tried to climb over the wall to escape. Many escaped, however the wall could not withstand the force of the pursuing Liverpool supporters and collapsed.
It was at this point that the majority of the deaths occurred - 39 people died, and a further 600 were injured.[7][8] Bodies were carried away on sections of iron fencing and laid in piles outside, covered with giant football flags. As police and medical helicopters flew in, the down-draught blew away the modest coverings. The situation became chaotic.

[Terminal Boardom]

But safe standing terraces will be no more dangerous than all seater stadiums.

Agreed, Safe standing areas just as safe as all seated areas of a stadium. It all comes down to how things are managed.

And who then takes the responsibility should 1 person be slightly injured let alone killed? In some respects you are right. It is not terracing that causes the problem, it is the people using terracing that does.

Secondly, how much would it cost to reintroduce terracing to stadia up and down the country? It would cost a fortune at the Mad Stad as whole areas would need to be completely replaced as the angle of seating is far greater than could be tolerated for terracing. And just who will pay for that?

[Rex]

It wasn't the terracing that caused the problem but the caged areas that used to keep supporters off the pitch, combined with the lack of crowd control, and the lack of filtering supporters off to the sides of the goal.

I think we have mentioned safe standing areas before and it's likely to never happen. Though steps have been made to ensure better policing, greater interaction between supporters concerns v police/club concerns, the FA (i think) make sure all clubs meet the required standards before issuing safety certificates.

Clubs clearly would now rather see empty seats rather than close interaction between home and away support.

[Harry Carry]

Has there ever been a Heysel docudrama ?

At approximately 7pm local time, an hour before kick-off, the trouble started.[6] The Liverpool and Juventus supporters in sections Y and Z stood merely yards apart. The boundary between the two was marked by temporary Chain link fencing and a central thinly-policed no-man's land.[7]. Missiles began to be thrown across the divide. Fans could pick up stones from the terraces beneath them.
As kick-off approached, the throwing became more intense. A group of Liverpool fans charged across the terraces, through and over the wire fence into section Z causing the Juventus fans to retreat. Having no way out, the Juventus fans moved towards the side perimeter wall, near to the corner flag. Some tried to climb over the wall to escape. Many escaped, however the wall could not withstand the force of the pursuing Liverpool supporters and collapsed.
It was at this point that the majority of the deaths occurred - 39 people died, and a further 600 were injured.[7][8] Bodies were carried away on sections of iron fencing and laid in piles outside, covered with giant football flags. As police and medical helicopters flew in, the down-draught blew away the modest coverings. The situation became chaotic.

I recall seeing some footage of it, but can't remember a docudrama. This subject is brushed under the carpet in this Country and especially in Liverpool.

[AF1]

I recall seeing some footage of it, but can't remember a docudrama. This subject is brushed under the carpet in this Country and especially in Liverpool.

Zero sympathy for Juve tbf, happy to throw rocks and taunt opposing fans then fled in their thousands from a few dozen marauding, drunk scousers. Snivelling, Wop cunts.

And its fairly clear, looking at the Italian game today, they, unlike us, learnt nothing that day.

[Deathy]

But safe standing terraces will be no more dangerous than all seater stadiums.

Agreed, Safe standing areas just as safe as all seated areas of a stadium. It all comes down to how things are managed.

There is no reason safe standing cannot be brough to England just as it has with germany! They are the example to follow.

[Harry Carry]

I recall seeing some footage of it, but can't remember a docudrama. This subject is brushed under the carpet in this Country and especially in Liverpool.

Zero sympathy for Juve tbf, happy to throw rocks and taunt opposing fans then fled in their thousands from a few dozen marauding, drunk scousers. Snivelling, Wop cunts.

And its fairly clear, looking at the Italian game today, they, unlike us, learnt nothing that day.

[cmonurz]

Footballers are stupid part 512.

Liverpool resevrve keeper Charles Itandje is unlikely to play for the club again after being filmed dancing during the memorial service for Hillsborough.


Idiot.

[soggy biscuit]

Footballers are stupid part 512.

Liverpool resevrve keeper Charles Itandje is unlikely to play for the club again after being filmed dancing during the memorial service for Hillsborough.


Idiot.

Supporters claim Itandje was seen laughing and joking and simulating dance moves during the “Tragedy” song sung at the service.The rest of the Liverpool squad conducted themselves impeccably, as did members of the youth and reserve teams who were also present

[papereyes]

Zero sympathy for Juve tbf, happy to throw rocks and taunt opposing fans then fled in their thousands from a few dozen marauding, drunk scousers. Snivelling, Wop cunts.

And its fairly clear, looking at the Italian game today, they, unlike us, learnt nothing that day.

Yup.

And UEFA who still can't organise a major final - it would have been carnage at the UEFA cup final if Rangers had played a club from Italy, Spain or Germany. IMO.

[Harry Carry]

so, why do people get upset with those who have zero sympathy for the 96 Liverpool fans?

[cmonurz]

so, why do people get upset with those who have zero sympathy for the 96 Liverpool fans?

You keep casting out Harold, but you forgot to put any line on.

It's akin to just standing there with your cock hanging out.

[papereyes]

[Harry Carry]

so, why do people get upset with those who have zero sympathy for the 96 Liverpool fans?

You keep casting out Harold, but you forgot to put any line on.

It's akin to just standing there with your cock hanging out.

We all know what Liverpool fans are like, so why do people sympathise? They mug their own fans for tickets (CL final), Heysel........get all upset when people don't have much sympathy for them and they're the first to mock United fans about the Munich Air Crash.

Yes it was very bad what happened and I was upset at the time, but it really is time to put this bed. I can only see it being publicity for the club that can't get it other ways. And why is this year 'so' special because it's 20 years? Surely it was just as important last year?!?

[AF1]

Footballers are stupid part 512.

Liverpool resevrve keeper Charles Itandje is unlikely to play for the club again after being filmed dancing during the memorial service for Hillsborough.


Idiot.

ghey

[Terminal Boardom]

But safe standing terraces will be no more dangerous than all seater stadiums.

Agreed, Safe standing areas just as safe as all seated areas of a stadium. It all comes down to how things are managed.

There is no reason safe standing cannot be brough to England just as it has with germany! They are the example to follow.

The overwhelming majority of incidents involving death and injury in football stadia can be attributed to terracing and circulation areas associated with terracing. The one major exception was Valley Parade. Complacency is a very dangerous animal.

As I mentioned previously, Simon Inglis has done some cracking work on football stadia. For example:
"At Anfield before 1994, typically there would be 10-25 injuries per game on the Kop ranging from bruised heads to broken limbs. Since conversion to seats, the numbers have fallen to 2-3 for the entire ground."

Is terracing really worth the risk?

[Terminal Boardom]

I recall seeing some footage of it, but can't remember a docudrama. This subject is brushed under the carpet in this Country and especially in Liverpool.

This is the point that I have been trying to make. Thank you.

[Baines]

The overwhelming majority of incidents involving death and injury in football stadia can be attributed to terracing and circulation areas associated with terracing. The one major exception was Valley Parade. Complacency is a very dangerous animal.

As I mentioned previously, Simon Inglis has done some cracking work on football stadia. For example:
"At Anfield before 1994, typically there would be 10-25 injuries per game on the Kop ranging from bruised heads to broken limbs. Since conversion to seats, the numbers have fallen to 2-3 for the entire ground."

Is terracing really worth the risk?

Comparable stats for the safe standing areas in the Bundesliga would be of interest. Comparisons to old style terracing, which will never be re-introduced, are not really relevant.